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The Fappening!!!!!

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I've seen so much porn in my life that I cant get off to these mirror pics with no penetration invlolved. I think that's a sign something is wrong with me.

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Generally speaking, I don't like your line of thinking because it doesn't actually help anyone or solve anything, because it avoids/ignores the underlying problem. Because the problem isn't that naked pictures of them leaked (we've already agreed that it's probably not going to hurt any of their careers, and truthfully some of them were probably going to end up getting photographed nude at some point in the future anyway, either as part of a movie or by paparazzi). The problem is that they got hacked. And the way to fix that problem is by figuring out how and why they got hacked, and eliminating the holes there. If they hadn't had any nudes, then they still would have been hacked, it just would have been someone having access to all their e-mails and text messages (because the way this works is that they download whole phone backups from iCloud, not just pictures). Which wouldn't have been a international story, but still would have been a very bad thing for them (and happens to non-celebrities as well because of Apple's security issues).

 

Well, that and, because I like looking at pictures of naked women, I'd rather not sit there and tell women to stop taking pictures of themselves naked when there's an easier/better solution out there.

 

Edit: And when I say fixing the problem of being hacked, you have to understand that that won't actually fix the issue of nude pictures getting out there when you don't want them to, because there's still the matter of revenge porn, angry ex boyfriends, accidentally posting them yourself (Alison Pill, anyone?), and/or just losing your phone/tablet/computer, so you still should be thinking about the consequences of it and deciding whether of not it's worth it.

 

I agree with MIzta and VVV.

 

You, of course, are correct about doing what needs to be done to stop the hacking. The issue of lax security procedures by companies who have created the cloud should be an embarrassment to those companies. A person has a right to be upset if something is stolen from him, but if someone steals $20,000 from someone, that is a crime, but the victim isn't embarrassed about it like he would be if a porn video of his (with, say, him and his girlfriend) was stolen.

 

Unfortunately, in today's world, the average person can't stop these crimes from happening to them if they are targeted by someone, but if they want to avoid the embarrassment of nude pics or sex tapes being stolen then just don't make them.

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Generally speaking, I don't like your line of thinking because it doesn't actually help anyone or solve anything, because it avoids/ignores the underlying problem. 

 

 

No it doesnt.

 

Because the problem isn't that naked pictures of them leaked (we've already agreed that it's probably not going to hurt any of their careers, and truthfully some of them were probably going to end up getting photographed nude at some point in the future anyway, either as part of a movie or by paparazzi). The problem is that they got hacked.

 

 

And no one is ignoring that.

 

YOU are just ignoring that there is ANOTHER problem....and thats the NATURE of the photos that were hacked.

 

I guess you would be defending a serial killer if evidence of their killings was hacked, huh?

 

And no, Im not comparing them to serial killers....Im saying that their own poor decisions to take nude photos is why they are partly responsible....NOT FOR THE FACT THAT THEY GOT STOLEN, but for the fact that they willingly took those SPECIFIC pics.

 

 

And the way to fix that problem is by figuring out how and why they got hacked, and eliminating the holes there. If they hadn't had any nudes, then they still would have been hacked, 

 

AGAIN...no one is disputing that is a major problem.

 

But there WERE nude photos that they WILLINGLY took.

 

Im not blaming them for having their shit stolen.   Im blaming them for the fact that the NUDE photos existed.   No matter how much you defend them, that will never change.

 

If they were just normal photos, there would be no embarrassment to be had in this situation. 

 

it just would have been someone having access to all their e-mails and text messages (because the way this works is that they download whole phone backups from iCloud, not just pictures). Which wouldn't have been a international story, but still would have been a very bad thing for them (and happens to non-celebrities as well because of Apple's security issues).

 

Thats been a problem long before this incident.

 

 

Well, that and, because I like looking at pictures of naked women, I'd rather not sit there and tell women to stop taking pictures of themselves naked when there's an easier/better solution out there.

 

 

I like naked women as well....but that doesnt change the fact that if you dont want any possiblity of nude photos getting out, dont willingly take them.

 

Id feel bad for them if they were taken against their will or from a spy, but these were posed nudes.   

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I like naked women as well....but that doesnt change the fact that if you dont want any possiblity of nude photos getting out, dont willingly take them.

 

Id feel bad for them if they were taken against their will or from a spy, but these were posed nudes.   

 

Like that ESPN chick, Erin Andrews, and that asshole that took a naked video of her through her hotel room's peephole. 

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Like that ESPN chick, Erin Andrews, and that asshole that took a naked video of her through her hotel room's peephole. 

 

Haha...honestly, that was exactly who made me think of that.   

 

Her I felt bad for.

 

DONT GET ME WRONG....I am sorry these celebrities had their shit stolen and privacy invaded.      I just dont feel bad that their nude photos got out.

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Haha...honestly, that was exactly who made me think of that.   

 

Her I felt bad for.

 

DONT GET ME WRONG....I am sorry these celebrities had their shit stolen and privacy invaded.      I just dont feel bad that their nude photos got out.

 

I have never had any problem with the fact that you don't feel bad about it. My issue has always been what you said in your first post, that part of the blame lies with them for having taken them in the first place. As I already said, I understand why you would say that, but I don't agree with it.

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You dont know shit, douchebag...except how to make dumbass comments on a regular basis.

 

No shit. How does he know you are a Republican? I don't believe you ever stated your party affiliation, if you even have one. How does he know you don't like Stewart? I mean, even a lot of conservatives like Stewart's humor.

 

@ SuniDey: btw, I'm the fuckin' Republican. I've said it enough times on this board it's like beating a dead horse. Also, I have no problems with Stewart other than he is a big fuckin' liberal like you probably are, dickhead.

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No shit. How does he know you are a Republican? I don't believe you ever stated your party affiliation, if you even have one. How does he know you don't like Stewart? I mean, even a lot of conservatives like Stewart's humor.

 

@ SuniDey: btw, I'm the fuckin' Republican. I've said it enough times on this board it's like beating a dead horse. Also, I have no problems with Stewart other than he is a big fuckin' liberal like you probably are, dickhead.

sorry. I got confused to everyone and i apologize. Also, every conservative I have ever met hated Jon Stewart, so I was basing an assumption off of that.

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sorry. I got confused to everyone and i apologize. Also, every conservative I have ever met hated Jon Stewart, so I was basing an assumption off of that.

 

 

You must not meet a lot of people.  Conservatives get a bad rap.  We all have a sense of humor like liberals.  

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I have never had any problem with the fact that you don't feel bad about it. My issue has always been what you said in your first post, that part of the blame lies with them for having taken them in the first place. As I already said, I understand why you would say that, but I don't agree with it.

 

Im not trying to make a big thing of it, but who is to blame then?   Did someone FORCE them to take those pics?

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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Hillary Duff got released!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Wish they weren't all up close vag shots. Hard to know if they really are her or not. Need a full frontal. 

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Wish they weren't all up close vag shots. Hard to know if they really are her or not. Need a full frontal. 

 

 

some people with way more time then I have matched up some scar on her stomach...I also wish there was a better titty shot.....

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Im not trying to make a big thing of it, but who is to blame then?   Did someone FORCE them to take those pics?

 

I'm saying it doesn't matter who is "to blame" for the pictures, because the nature of the pictures is tangential to the crime that occurred. They would have been hacked whether or not there were pics on there. Saying "If you don't want naked pictures out there, you shouldn't take any" doesn't stop anyone's phone from getting hacked in an attempt to find naked pictures. It doesn't do anything about the invasion of privacy, it just makes it so that less people know about it. As I already said, it's a statement that doesn't actually help anyone, or solve anything, or stop anything, except for maybe some public embarrassment (in this particular case).

 

Basically, I'm arguing against this statement

 

Dont get me wrong, its not right that it happened, but if you take nude pics/video of yourself, its more your fault than anyone elses if they get out.

 

While what happened to your friend sucked, there probably wasn't a crime involved there. These women (and men) were the victims of a crime, and it's not a crime that was in any way their fault, especially since it's not a crime that happened because of the existence of the pictures.

 

Edit: And just to be clear, if you end up in a situation like having your ex release them, or losing your phone and someone finding them, then I'd be much more willing to say that some of the blame lies with you. But not this situation.

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This is how the so called "hacker" phished these celebrities. I saw Dunst tweet something like "Thanks iCloud" when it was her fault for logging into her Apple account through her email.

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Side note.. I believe the person who got into Scarlett Johansson's account is gonna serve 10 years. This ruling set some kind of law into motion about "Selfies". Since Scarlett took them, the photos that were stolen were her property. Seeing that most of these fap pictures were taken by another person, the celebrities themselves cannot claim property of them. The person/persons who took the pictures are considered the owner of said pictures.

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Side note.. I believe the person who got into Scarlett Johansson's account is gonna serve 10 years. This ruling set some kind of law into motion about "Selfies". Since Scarlett took them, the photos that were stolen were her property. Seeing that most of these fap pictures were taken by another person, the celebrities themselves cannot claim property of them. The person/persons who took the pictures are considered the owner of said pictures.

 

That depends. If someone else took a picture of the person on that person's phone (so, for example, Jennifer Lawrence's significant other took the picture, but it was using JLaw's phone), then, since the camera is hers, then the picture belongs to her as well, even if it was a different person that actually physically took the picture. All she would need to do is prove the picture was taken with her camera, which is easy if the EXIF data still exists.

 

To use an example that sits outside of this controversy, if I were to go to Disney World and ask someone to take a picture of me and Mickey with my camera, that picture still belongs to me.

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This is how the so called "hacker" phished these celebrities. I saw Dunst tweet something like "Thanks iCloud" when it was her fault for logging into her Apple account through her email.

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And read this:

 

https://www.nikcub.com/posts/notes-on-the-celebrity-data-theft/

 

It pretty much explains how these operations work. While phishing is one of the ways that people get tripped up, it's not the most common one (like I said, that is actually password resets). And the reason password resets are the most popular are specifically because they're the ones that don't require the user you're trying to hack to do anything.

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That depends. If someone else took a picture of the person on that person's phone (so, for example, Jennifer Lawrence's significant other took the picture, but it was using JLaw's phone), then, since the camera is hers, then the picture belongs to her as well, even if it was a different person that actually physically took the picture. All she would need to do is prove the picture was taken with her camera, which is easy if the EXIF data still exists.

 

To use an example that sits outside of this controversy, if I were to go to Disney World and ask someone to take a picture of me and Mickey with my camera, that picture still belongs to me.

The topic of selfies, ownership and copywrite is a bit confusing. Just recently a monkey took a selfie with some dudes camera and he wasn't able to copywrite it, thus the picture did not belong to him. It's a bizarre legal situation when you have someone else take a picture with your phone or camera. I believe you are wrong on the Disney picture scenario. Photographers usually never let anyone take pictures using their cameras. It's a relatively new topic of ownership claim now that everyone has a camera on their phones.

 

Let's say you want me to take a pic of you w/your phone and I photograph a bald eagle shitting on your head. You then post it and it goes viral. Even though it's your camera, the photographer (me) can copywrite it and tell everyone who posted it to take it down. If you somehow make money off of the viral picture, that I took, I can also sue you for that as well.

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And read this:

 

https://www.nikcub.com/posts/notes-on-the-celebrity-data-theft/

 

It pretty much explains how these operations work. While phishing is one of the ways that people get tripped up, it's not the most common one (like I said, that is actually password resets). And the reason password resets are the most popular are specifically because they're the ones that don't require the user you're trying to hack to do anything.

Their is no way one would go through that much trouble to reset that many passwords. They'd have to know where the person was born, know their first dogs name, and or mothers maiden etc... It's just way too much work for that many celebs. I doubt they got their passwords from a fake text from Apple since they'd have to have a treasure trove of celebrity phone numbers. Finding out a celeb email is easier to do than searching for "hint" answers. Besides that, their has been an huge spike in fake apple emails sent since March.

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The topic of selfies, ownership and copywrite is a bit confusing. Just recently a monkey took a selfie with some dudes camera and he wasn't able to copywrite it, thus the picture did not belong to him. It's a bizarre legal situation when you have someone else take a picture with your phone or camera. I believe you are wrong on the Disney picture scenario. Photographers usually never let anyone take pictures using their cameras. It's a relatively new topic of ownership claim now that everyone has a camera on their phones.

 

Let's say you want me to take a pic of you w/your phone and I photograph a bald eagle shitting on your head. You then post it and it goes viral. Even though it's your camera, the photographer (me) can copywrite it and tell everyone who posted it to take it down. If you somehow make money off of the viral picture, that I took, I can also sue you for that as well.

 

As it turns out, you're right. The person that presses the shutter owns the copyright. Even with that, it's a simple matter of having your lawyer contact whomever took the picture and make sure to make the claim in both your and their name. For example, Verlander and Upton jointly filing a claim instead of her doing it alone. And it would take someone being a real dick for them not to be willing to help you with that copyright claim. Or, for some of the pictures, you can even claim that they were taken on a timer, since unless there's someone willing to submit evidence to the contrary, there's no way to really disprove that (There's a decent amount of pictures there that, while not selfies, don't make it definite that there's anyone else in the room taking them).

 

Their is no way one would go through that much trouble to reset that many passwords. They'd have to know where the person was born, know their first dogs name, and or mothers maiden etc... It's just way too much work for that many celebs. I doubt they got their passwords from a fake text from Apple since they'd have to have a treasure trove of celebrity phone numbers. Finding out a celeb email is easier to do than searching for "hint" answers. Besides that, their has been an huge spike in fake apple emails sent since March.

 

But if we believe the information out there, the Mckayla pictures are from earlier than December (since her lawyers are claiming they're from before she was 18), the Hillary Duff ones are from 2012, the Ali Michael are from 2012 as well, a decent amount of the Verlander ones are from 2013 (though it's possible those were just still on his phone), Mary Elizabeth Winstead claims her pictures were years old and already deleted, and those are just the ones that have EXIF data or have said something about them. This is something that's been going on for years, so the truth of the matter is that we don't know when any of these hacks occurred, which means we can't correlate them to a rise in phishing e-mails in March. And the reason celebrities are particularly vulnerable is because of how much information about them is out there because of interviews. I'm going to quote this part of that post that I linked:

 

 

Apple accounts seem particularly vulnerable because of the recovery process, password requirements and ability to detect if an email address has an associated iCloud account. The recovery process is broken up into steps and will fail at each point. While Apple do not reveal if an email address is a valid iCloud address as part of the recover process, they do reveal if it is valid or not if you attempt to sign up a new account using the same email – so verification (or brute force attempts) are simple. The second step is verifying the date of birth and it will pass or fail based on that data alone so can be guessed, while the last step are the two security questions.

 

So all you'd need is their e-mail address and a date of birth (which takes about 5 seconds to find with a Google search) and you have access to their security questions, which you can then also use Google to find out the answers. It wouldn't take more than, at absolute most, a couple hours to get all the information as soon as you find out their e-mail address, and that's only if they hadn't answered it in an interview and you had to go stalker level to find the answers. To use Kirsten as an example, where she was born and her mother's maiden name is in her Wikipedia article. As a hacker, you'd do this first before you hoped they fell for a phishing scam, or possibly send the phishing e-mail at the same time just in case you didn't find the info for the security questions online. And for the supposed 100+ celebs, over the course of years, it really wouldn't be that much of a time commitment.

 

Edit: And there is (or should be) a treasure trove of celebrity phone numbers. Remember, they're stealing the entire iCloud backups, not just pictures. Which means, in addition to getting whatever pictures and/or videos that are there, you'd get access to the person's address book, which would contain the numbers (and probably e-mail addresses) of other celebrities. So each new person you hacked would give you the information you need to attempt to hack even more people.

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