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#101 Travis W

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 10:32 PM

I have belonged to all of these site within the past 6 months. Since this on on the Naughty Forums I have put how Naughty America can imporve.

Well there is much more to rating sites then just who has the better scenes. It also has to do with cost, what kind of porn it is, how many scene they release and if they listen to your feed back. By listen to your feed back I don't mean doing everything you want but replying to what you say and giving you reasons why they are not doing something you want. I have stopped being a member of many sites because they would not give me feedback on simple things or would just give me a brush off and not answer what I has asked. So I will break this down into sections and give where I think thing can be improved. I will give rate each site in each section 1-4, 4 being the highest then add them up at the end and see when site is better.

These numbers were based off of June.
Cost per scene
4 Reality Kings – They have the best overall monthly rate per scenes they release. It was close to others until they added the bonus of being able to view Muffia scenes. They have new 65 scenes added each month, that is about $0.15 a scene. It better then that because of the extra Muffia stuff.

3 Brazzers – The yearly rate for them is great. It makes the cost per month very good. If Bangbros and Naughty America had yearly rates like them I would belong to all of them. They have about new 60 scenes added each month that is about $0.17 a scene.

2 BangBros – They have about new 72 scenes a month at about $0.35 a scene.

1 Naughty America – They have about 32 scenes a month at about $0.78 a scene. With the July special that it is about $0.31 a new scene. I also looked at the number of scene this month 48. That was with the release of a new site with 8 scenes. So if no more are released tomorrow that would be about $0.52 a scene. With the special $0.21. So if that special was the normal price say for a year $119.40 It would move Naughty America up on this cost scale. Also increasing the number of new scene would really help.

Live Content/Porn Star Interaction.

4 Naughty America – The cams that you have are very good. I liked it better when you had more top and bottom cams, but I like looking up skirts as well. Not sure how I like the camera guy moving about. One thing that would make the live sites better is real sex. POV style would be great. You could start off with the camera guy getting a blow job. Then if it is well received move up to sex. This would fell like you are having sex with that star. Also pushing the forums is good. It is a good way for your members to interact with they stars.

3 Brazzers – No Live content yet... What they are trying to do is way over priced. They have very good forums.

2 Reality Kings – They have live chat every weekday. Only solo/ Lesbian action. The cams are not that good. They don't have forums which they should have.

1 Bangbros – Nothing


Scene / Site variety

4 Reality Kings – They have a many different type of scenes along with many different girl types. While I don't like some... like lesbian only scenes its good to have those options to keep people who do. My personal favorite “In the VIP.”

3 Bang Bros – Again a lot of different scenes. I have lots of sites with this group that I like: “Fuck Team Five”, “Backroom MILF“(great POV), & “Big Tit Creampie”.

2 Brazzers – They have some different sites. Not just normal one on one sex. Many times they have good stories.

1 Naughty America – Need more variety. There are lots of ways you could do this. Some suggestions: A New/Amateur site, that has new or unknown actresses. A Double Penetration site(Two Dicks one Chick), none of the others(listed here) have that type of site. A good POV site or added to live like I suggested earlier. A good group sex site, again this is something that would be different to pull in more people to your main site. Update these new sites once a week, Even if you have 30 scenes per done. One release them once a week.

Updates

4 BangBros – Seems to have the most. With 2-3 Updates a day Everyday. Including Weekends.

3 Reality Kings – At least 2 a day everyday. Including Weekends.

2 Brazzers – It should be three updates a day. Its not it is normally at least two a day during the week, and 1 on Saturday and 1 on Sunday.

1 Naughty America – You need more updates. I do suggest that you space out when you release updates. The Naughty Country Girl is a cool site. I would not have released them so fast. I would have put out one a week over nine weeks.

Video Quality -

4 Brazzers – Even before their HD push, their videos looked really good. There online streaming is very clear.

3 Reality Kings – Most of their videos look really good. Some are low quality but good for the site they come from, In The VIP, Street Blow Jobs.

2 Naughty America – Their quality is fine, there are other thing that should be fixed before this.

1 Bangbros – Their video quality is not bad just not as good as the rest.

Video Editing – How scene are put together

4 Brazzers – Their videos are edited the best. They flow well there is not a lot of jumping around, they flow form angle to angle.

3 Naughty America – They editing seems to jump around. It just does not flow very well. It seems weird when one second the female talent is on her back then it cuts to her on top.

2 Bangbros – They have some jumping issues too.

1 Reality Kings – I like their site but I'm not sure they know what editing is.

Scene Story – They all are cheesy we are here too see the sex.

4 Brazzers – They have best stories.

3 Naughty America – Good stories.

2 Reality Kings – Some of their sites have stories.

1 BangBros – their sites are about banging that is all the story they need.

Web Site Layout

4 Reality Kings – Their site is great. It is easy to find the latest updates. The new search options are great. I can search for scenes for Redhead, Anal, Cum Swallowing, and Threesomes. Being able to search for one the one tag is key. The site is also fast.

3 Bangbros – With their lay out is is too is easy to search for most recent update. They also allow more then one tag search so you can look for Amateur, Anal, Creampie it comes up with one scene. This site is fast

2 Brazzers – Really easy to find most recent up dates. But you can only search for one tag. Good speed.

1 Naughty America – Something needs to be done. The site is hard to navigate. The New scene page should show the updates form the newest to the oldest, not stopping after a certain amount. Change the “Find your Fantasy” page to tags and allow any number of tags to be selected and filter the scene that way. Right now I can not look for scene that have Black Hair, POV, Glasses with POV because you have them on the category page and it will only let you select one. That is really annoying.

Customer Service

4 Brazzers – I have found them to be very helpful when I have issues. They listen to their customers most of the time.

3 Naughty America – You guys do a great job. It looks like you are listen to you customers. Some better feed back like answering why NA does not do Creampie would be nice. (Not just that you don't a real reason, btw I know of many of the talent that likes creampies). Really you guys are nice and seem to listen too.

2 Reality Kings – The seem to listen to some thing and ignore other things completely.

1 Bangbros – I had to call them to cancel my account. They were sort of rude.

Talent – Many of the same Pronstars are on these all four site. So I can only rate the new talent they get.

4 BangBros – Many of their sites are all about new talent which rocks.

3 Reality Kings – They too have site where there is a lot of new talent.

2 Brazzers – Sometime they have new talent.

1 Naughty America – Not much new talent at all. Solution get more new talent.


The totals are.

Brazzers 30
Reality Kings 28
BangBros 22
Naughty America 20

Some people many place a higher value certain things. Like I would use the same ranking but multiply Cost and Update x2 or x3 since cost and updates are very important to me. Live is not very important to me so I might cut it in half.

What I have list here is mostly objective(Facts). There were some I list that were subjective but I think I was fair the way I listed them.

Edited by Travis W, 30 July 2009 - 10:36 PM.
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Posted 30 July 2009 - 11:02 PM

Sorry, but I have to take issue with a couple of these.

2 Brazzers They have some different sites. Not just normal one on one sex. Many times they have good stories.

1 Naughty America Need more variety. There are lots of ways you could do this. Some suggestions: A New/Amateur site, that has new or unknown actresses. A Double Penetration site(Two Dicks one Chick), none of the others(listed here) have that type of site. A good POV site or added to live like I suggested earlier. A good group sex site, again this is something that would be different to pull in more people to your main site. Update these new sites once a week, Even if you have 30 scenes per done. One release them once a week.


First, you did not just say Brazzers has more variety than Naughty America. They shoot less women more times, use less male talent, have 5-8 different sites based around a "big tit" theme (Big Tits at School/Work/Uniform/Sports and Mommy/Baby got Boobs). And even the sites that aren't based around big tits are filled with talent that has big tits. The only thing they have as "more variety" is that they have more group sex scenes.

Second, Naughty America does have a POV site (Housewife 1 on 1).

1 Naughty America Not much new talent at all. Solution get more new talent.


Third, and perhaps most egregiously wrong, Brazzers shoots more new talent than Naughty America? Are you serious? I don't think I have to go into how wrong that is. The other two do shoot more new talent because they shoot (or at least used to shoot) amateur talent.

Web site ease of use is a personal thing, which I can't comment on. But on the main page you have a list of the newest scenes, which goes from newest all the way to the first scenes shot (if you go back enough pages). And they are working on the Find Your Fantasy tool. If you go here, it works exactly the way you mentioned it should, and I've made that argument as far back as last August.

I've got no problem with saying that NA is the worst of the four sites. That's an opinion, and if you can back it up (which, for the most part, you did), then that's that. But I'm generally going to point out total inaccuracies.

And off-topic: Is there a professional website out there that has done not grossly overpriced boy/girl live? Or has it just been actresses personal websites (where they remove the largest cost factor out of the way in the female talent)?
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Posted 30 July 2009 - 11:03 PM

Good write up Travis, but I do have some issues.

[quote name='Travis W']These numbers were based off of June.
Cost per scene
4 Reality Kings – They have the best overall monthly rate per scenes they release. It was close to others until they added the bonus of being able to view Muffia scenes. They have new 65 scenes added each month, that is about $0.15 a scene. It better then that because of the extra Muffia stuff.

3 Brazzers – The yearly rate for them is great. It makes the cost per month very good. If Bangbros and Naughty America had yearly rates like them I would belong to all of them. They have about new 60 scenes added each month that is about $0.17 a scene.

2 BangBros – They have about new 72 scenes a month at about $0.35 a scene.

1 Naughty America – They have about 32 scenes a month at about $0.78 a scene. With the July special that it is about $0.31 a new scene. I also looked at the number of scene this month 48. That was with the release of a new site with 8 scenes. So if no more are released tomorrow that would be about $0.52 a scene. With the special $0.21. So if that special was the normal price say for a year $119.40 It would move Naughty America up on this cost scale. Also increasing the number of new scene would really help.[/quote]

While I applaud youre effort, I have to say that your math here doesnt really reflect "quality vs quantity". Personally, BangBros can release 1000 scenes, but since most of them are trash, I could really care less.

NA doesnt always hit homeruns, but unlike Brazzers, they shoot different girls and in better locations. IMO, alot of Brazzers scenes feel the same and I feel like Im being cheated.


[quote name='Travis W']Live Content/Porn Star Interaction.

4 Naughty America – The cams that you have are very good. I liked it better when you had more top and bottom cams, but I like looking up skirts as well. Not sure how I like the camera guy moving about. One thing that would make the live sites better is real sex. POV style would be great. You could start off with the camera guy getting a blow job. Then if it is well received move up to sex. This would fell like you are having sex with that star. Also pushing the forums is good. It is a good way for your members to interact with they stars.

3 Brazzers – No Live content yet... What they are trying to do is way over priced. They have very good forums.

2 Reality Kings – They have live chat every weekday. Only solo/ Lesbian action. The cams are not that good. They don't have forums which they should have.

1 Bangbros – Nothing[/quote]

Pretty much agreed with everything, even though Im not a big fan of Live shows.



[quote name='Travis W']Scene / Site variety

4 Reality Kings – They have a many different type of scenes along with many different girl types. While I don't like some... like lesbian only scenes its good to have those options to keep people who do. My personal favorite “In the VIP.”

3 Bang Bros – Again a lot of different scenes. I have lots of sites with this group that I like: “Fuck Team Five”, “Backroom MILF“(great POV), & “Big Tit Creampie”.

2 Brazzers – They have some different sites. Not just normal one on one sex. Many times they have good stories.

1 Naughty America – Need more variety. There are lots of ways you could do this. Some suggestions: A New/Amateur site, that has new or unknown actresses. A Double Penetration site(Two Dicks one Chick), none of the others(listed here) have that type of site. A good POV site or added to live like I suggested earlier. A good group sex site, again this is something that would be different to pull in more people to your main site. Update these new sites once a week, Even if you have 30 scenes per done. One release them once a week.[/quote]

Is this a joke?

How the hell you put Brazzers ahead of NA here boggles my mind. I respect your opinion, but Brazzers absolutely has no variety whatsoever. Same bland sets. Set big titty chicks all the time. Just because they do anal and the occasional DP doesnt mean they are more original.

And I personally dont want to see any of those sites you requested. Sorry.

[quote name='Travis W']
Updates

4 BangBros – Seems to have the most. With 2-3 Updates a day Everyday. Including Weekends.

3 Reality Kings – At least 2 a day everyday. Including Weekends.

2 Brazzers – It should be three updates a day. Its not it is normally at least two a day during the week, and 1 on Saturday and 1 on Sunday.

1 Naughty America – You need more updates. I do suggest that you space out when you release updates. The Naughty Country Girl is a cool site. I would not have released them so fast. I would have put out one a week over nine weeks.[/quote]

13 updates per week is more than enough.

Quality vs quantity. Ill take quality over heaps of Bang Bros shit and most of RKs stuff.


[quote name='Travis W']Video Quality -

4 Brazzers – Even before their HD push, their videos looked really good. There online streaming is very clear.

3 Reality Kings – Most of their videos look really good. Some are low quality but good for the site they come from, In The VIP, Street Blow Jobs.

2 Naughty America – Their quality is fine, there are other thing that should be fixed before this.

1 Bangbros – Their video quality is not bad just not as good as the rest.[/quote]

NA just started releasing scenes in HD. I agree they need to do it for alot more scenes though. Not a huge deal IMO though.


[quote name='Travis W']Video Editing – How scene are put together

4 Brazzers – Their videos are edited the best. They flow well there is not a lot of jumping around, they flow form angle to angle.

3 Naughty America – They editing seems to jump around. It just does not flow very well. It seems weird when one second the female talent is on her back then it cuts to her on top.

2 Bangbros – They have some jumping issues too.

1 Reality Kings – I like their site but I'm not sure they know what editing is.[/quote]

Guess I cant really argue here.



[quote name='Travis W']Scene Story – They all are cheesy we are here too see the sex.

4 Brazzers – They have best stories.

3 Naughty America – Good stories.

2 Reality Kings – Some of their sites have stories.

1 BangBros – their sites are about banging that is all the story they need.[/quote]

Agreed for the most part, but while Brazzers may do more parodies and stuff like that, the fluff gets a little old[/quote]


[quote name='Travis W']Web Site Layout

4 Reality Kings – Their site is great. It is easy to find the latest updates. The new search options are great. I can search for scenes for Redhead, Anal, Cum Swallowing, and Threesomes. Being able to search for one the one tag is key. The site is also fast.

3 Bangbros – With their lay out is is too is easy to search for most recent update. They also allow more then one tag search so you can look for Amateur, Anal, Creampie it comes up with one scene. This site is fast

2 Brazzers – Really easy to find most recent up dates. But you can only search for one tag. Good speed.

1 Naughty America – Something needs to be done. The site is hard to navigate. The New scene page should show the updates form the newest to the oldest, not stopping after a certain amount. Change the “Find your Fantasy” page to tags and allow any number of tags to be selected and filter the scene that way. Right now I can not look for scene that have Black Hair, POV, Glasses with POV because you have them on the category page and it will only let you select one. That is really annoying.[/quote]

Completely disagree here.

NA has great and easy navigation. Brazzers search tool has been broken for a few months. Not completely broken, but when I type in a certain stars name, about 20 differnt girls pop up, even though I typed in the exact name I wanted. A

And they dont have nearly as many search words as NA.

NA's Find your fantasy works great. Its still a little cluttered and some of the fantasies are labeled wrong, but it allows you to narrow searches down to what you want. Not sure how you can label it "hard".

Cant really comment on the other two since I havent been a member in awhile, but Im guessing they arent as thorough as NAs search tool either.

[quote name='Travis W']

Customer Service

4 Brazzers – I have found them to be very helpful when I have issues. They listen to their customers most of the time.

3 Naughty America – You guys do a great job. It looks like you are listen to you customers. Some better feed back like answering why NA does not do Creampie would be nice. (Not just that you don't a real reason, btw I know of many of the talent that likes creampies). Really you guys are nice and seem to listen too.

2 Reality Kings – The seem to listen to some thing and ignore other things completely.

1 Bangbros – I had to call them to cancel my account. They were sort of rude.[/quote]

Agreed on all counts.


[quote name='Travis W']Talent – Many of the same Pronstars are on these all four site. So I can only rate the new talent they get.

4 BangBros – Many of their sites are all about new talent which rocks.

3 Reality Kings – They too have site where there is a lot of new talent.

2 Brazzers – Sometime they have new talent.

1 Naughty America – Not much new talent at all. Solution get more new talent.[/quote]

Complete joke.

Im sorry, I cant take you seriously when you say that Brazzers has more variety and more different girls than Brazzers. Completely wrong in every imaginable way. Brazzers uses big fake tit chicks 90% of the time. And Teens Like it Big, the one site that doesnt use them all the time, is executed terribly.



[quote name='Travis W']The totals are.

Brazzers 30
Reality Kings 28
BangBros 22
Naughty America 20

Some people many place a higher value certain things. Like I would use the same ranking but multiply Cost and Update x2 or x3 since cost and updates are very important to me. Live is not very important to me so I might cut it in half.

What I have list here is mostly objective(Facts). There were some I list that were subjective but I think I was fair the way I listed them.[/QUOTE]

I agree with some of your points, but you obviously seem to value quantity over quality.

Ill take 1 great scene over 5 mediocre scenes any day.

And the fact that you say that Brazzers has more variety than NA loses you alot of credibility in my mind. Im not saying NA is perfect, but Brazzers has ABSOLUTELY no originality whatsoever, and they use alot of the same girls over and over.

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 11:05 PM

Oh my god, we just agreed on something. I don't know what I'm going to do with myself now.
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Posted 30 July 2009 - 11:07 PM

Oh my god, we just agreed on something. I don't know what I'm going to do with myself now.


I think this is the first sign of the apocalypse.

We've actually agree a few times though. Its just buried underneath all the times we didnt agree. ;)
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Posted 30 July 2009 - 11:12 PM

I think this is the first sign of the apocalypse.

We've actually agree a few times though. Its just buried underneath all the times we didnt agree. ;)

That, and our disagreements tend to be more fun.
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Posted 30 July 2009 - 11:22 PM

Good write up Travis, but I do have some issues.
And the fact that you say that Brazzers has more variety than NA loses you alot of credibility in my mind. Im not saying NA is perfect, but Brazzers has ABSOLUTELY no originality whatsoever, and they use alot of the same girls over and over.


Thank you.

I would point out that I said nothing about originality. I should have added that in there. I know that NA comes up with many good ideas. I had joined a long time ago because I liked those Ideas. I know that Brazzer has stolen many ideas.

As for using the same girls over and over. I think that you might want review that in detail. That is something that is objective(fact). That we can compair. I will complie a list of the talent from NA & Brazzers to see who reuses more people and who had more new people. I should have that posted later.

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 11:23 PM

I think this is the first sign of the apocalypse.

We've actually agree a few times though. Its just buried underneath all the times we didnt agree. ;)


Your counter analysis and Aristotle's pretty much cover all the points that I disagreed with. I think one of the major problems involved in his analysis is that he chose June as his point of reference. He said that NA only had 32 new scenes. He picked a month that was dominated by the remastered scenes.


As for the variety at Brazzers. I am a member of that site and I have to laugh at the "Variety" offered by Brazzers. NA is definitely not perfrect but to rank so low in terms of variety is beyond me.

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 11:25 PM

I think this is the first sign of the apocalypse.

We've actually agree a few times though. Its just buried underneath all the times we didnt agree. ;)


I still feel dirty from my experience of agreeing
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Posted 30 July 2009 - 11:27 PM

Thank you.

I would point out that I said nothing about originality. I should have added that in there. I know that NA comes up with many good ideas. I had joined a long time ago because I liked those Ideas. I know that Brazzer has stolen many ideas.

As for using the same girls over and over. I think that you might want review that in detail. That is something that is objective(fact). That we can compair. I will complie a list of the talent from NA & Brazzers to see who reuses more people and who had more new people. I should have that posted later.



Damn....I used to have the figures to prove the lack of variety over at Brazzers. I guess I'll have to recompile those figures

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 11:31 PM

Your counter analysis and Aristotle's pretty much cover all the points that I disagreed with. I think one of the major problems involved in his analysis is that he chose June as his point of reference. He said that NA only had 32 new scenes. He picked a month that was dominated by the remastered scenes.


As for the variety at Brazzers. I am a member of that site and I have to laugh at the "Variety" offered by Brazzers. NA is definitely not perfrect but to rank so low in terms of variety is beyond me.


You notice I also listed this month, for NA becasue I knew that it was a light month for them last month.

I will expain better what I ment by variety so that it might make more since. It might have been the wrong word to use.

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 11:32 PM

Thank you.

I would point out that I said nothing about originality. I should have added that in there. I know that NA comes up with many good ideas. I had joined a long time ago because I liked those Ideas. I know that Brazzer has stolen many ideas.

As for using the same girls over and over. I think that you might want review that in detail. That is something that is objective(fact). That we can compair. I will complie a list of the talent from NA & Brazzers to see who reuses more people and who had more new people. I should have that posted later.

Let me help you out here:

Naughty America has only shot one female more than 20 times (Emma Starr with 22). Brazzers has shot 15 females more than 20 times (Shyla Stylez 38, Nikki Benz 34, Carmella Bing 33, Sienna West 31, Rachel Roxxx 31, Jayden James 27, Eva Angelina 25, Rachel Starr 25, Phoenix Marie 24, Gianna Michaels 24, Audrey Bitoni 24, Austin Kincaid 22, Trina Michaels 20, Daphne Rosen 20, and Veronica Rayne 20).

Edit: And that's with the fact that NA has more than 400 more scenes than Brazzers.

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 11:39 PM

NA is the best because of the quality of girls they have on the site and the way they cater to their subscribers. That's the reason I am a member of NA and not the other sites.

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 11:56 PM

Sorry, but I have to take issue with a couple of these.



First, you did not just say Brazzers has more variety than Naughty America. They shoot less women more times, use less male talent, have 5-8 different sites based around a "big tit" theme (Big Tits at School/Work/Uniform/Sports and Mommy/Baby got Boobs). And even the sites that aren't based around big tits are filled with talent that has big tits. The only thing they have as "more variety" is that they have more group sex scenes.

Second, Naughty America does have a POV site (Housewife 1 on 1).



Third, and perhaps most egregiously wrong, Brazzers shoots more new talent than Naughty America? Are you serious? I don't think I have to go into how wrong that is. The other two do shoot more new talent because they shoot (or at least used to shoot) amateur talent.

Web site ease of use is a personal thing, which I can't comment on. But on the main page you have a list of the newest scenes, which goes from newest all the way to the first scenes shot (if you go back enough pages). And they are working on the Find Your Fantasy tool. If you go here, it works exactly the way you mentioned it should, and I've made that argument as far back as last August.

I've got no problem with saying that NA is the worst of the four sites. That's an opinion, and if you can back it up (which, for the most part, you did), then that's that. But I'm generally going to point out total inaccuracies.

And off-topic: Is there a professional website out there that has done not grossly overpriced boy/girl live? Or has it just been actresses personal websites (where they remove the largest cost factor out of the way in the female talent)?


Aristotle, jeez--how much NA Kool Aid did you drink today? While I'll agree that NA has more ethnic girls than Brazzer; and more quality actors over 30--I won't agree on their other talent. Here's a basic list on their exclusive models to date:

Juicy Pearl, Kylee Strut, Jessica Jaymes, Angelika Black, Angel Dark, Tarra White, Sincerre Lemore, Jenna Haze, Lanny Barbie, Laura Lion, Mz. Berlin, Nicole Sheridan, Veronika Vanoza, Aneta Keys, Sasha Knox, Katerina Svedova, Veronica Da Souza, Daria Glover, Claudia Rossi, Morgan, Sandra De Marco, Malezia, Raylene (Eastern Eur.), Jane Darling, Roseanne (Eastern Eur.), Zoe, Sandra, Sophie Evans, Kelly Wells, and Ellen Saint.

So, I would personally like to see multiple Lanny Barbie scenes over several Mrs. Jewell/Indianna James/Mrs. Taft etc. Not to mention over 20 scenes with Phoenix Marie--and she's not limited to NA's scene parameters. I think it's healthy to admit that there is room for improvement.
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#115 aristotlealexander

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Posted 31 July 2009 - 12:05 AM

Aristotle, jeez--how much NA Kool Aid did you drink today? While I'll agree that NA has more ethnic girls than Brazzer; and more quality actors over 30--I won't agree on their other talent. Here's a basic list on their exclusive models to date:

Juicy Pearl, Kylee Strut, Jessica Jaymes, Angelika Black, Angel Dark, Tarra White, Sincerre Lemore, Jenna Haze, Lanny Barbie, Laura Lion, Mz. Berlin, Nicole Sheridan, Veronika Vanoza, Aneta Keys, Sasha Knox, Katerina Svedova, Veronica Da Souza, Daria Glover, Claudia Rossi, Morgan, Sandra De Marco, Malezia, Raylene (Eastern Eur.), Jane Darling, Roseanne (Eastern Eur.), Zoe, Sandra, Sophie Evans, Kelly Wells, and Ellen Saint.

So, I would personally like to see multiple Lanny Barbie scenes over several Mrs. Jewell/Indianna James/Mrs. Taft etc. Not to mention over 20 scenes with Phoenix Marie--and she's not limited to NA's scene parameters. I think it's healthy to admit that there is room for improvement.

How many of those are actually exclusive as opposed to just NA hasn't shot them yet (and by the way, there is a Mz. Berlin scene on Naughty America)? You want me to run down a list of girls that NA has shot that Brazzers hasn't? Because if you really do, I can. It'll take me a day or so, but I can.

P.S. - Brazzers has shot about 800-1000 women. NA has shot over 1500. Which means that there are about 500-700 women that Naughty America has shot that Brazzers hasn't. Brazzers may shoot a higher quality of woman (and that's strictly an opinion issue), but there's no denying that NA has shot a higher variety.

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Posted 31 July 2009 - 12:14 AM

In the 5 years I've been here, they haven't shot them? What are they waiting for? I'm sure you could produce that list. But, my point is: I would subtract the Mrs. Jewell's, and Indianna James, & Mrs. Taft's because I don't want to see them at all. When I look at the Brazzers lineup, I don't see too much that is unviewable. I would rather have 50 models that are hot in varied fantasies, than 500 models in limited fantasies (and 400 that I never want to see naked).
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Posted 31 July 2009 - 12:22 AM

In the 5 years I've been here, they haven't shot them? What are they waiting for? I'm sure you could produce that list. But, my point is: I would subtract the Mrs. Jewell's, and Indianna James, & Mrs. Taft's because I don't want to see them at all. When I look at the Brazzers lineup, I don't see too much that is unviewable. I would rather have 50 models that are hot in varied fantasies, than 500 models in limited fantasies (and 400 that I never want to see naked).

They've had 4 years to shoot Juicy Pearl? Jessica Jaymes? I wasn't aware either had been in the industry for that long. Some of those girls they haven't shot yet. Some of them, weren't doing hardcore that long and they didn't shoot them in time (Nicole Sheridan, for example). Yes, some of them actually are exclusive for all intents and purposes (Jenna Haze). But honestly, for the most part, the two sites shoot the same actresses right now, give or take about 20-50 girls, maybe. But NA shoots them first about 9 times out of 10.

But that's besides the point. I know it generally sounds like I'm a Kool-Aid drinker (and I usually am), but as far as this argument is concerned, it's more about the fact that I'm a numbers guy. Save for the factual errors, he did a pretty good job of explaining why he prefers the other sites to NA. I never faulted him on that. But if you get the underlying numbers/facts wrong, I'm going to call you out on it. Which is what I did.
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Posted 31 July 2009 - 12:23 AM

P.S. - Brazzers has shot about 800-1000 women. NA has shot over 1500. Which means that there are about 500-700 women that Naughty America has shot that Brazzers hasn't. Brazzers may shoot a higher quality of woman (and that's strictly an opinion issue), but there's no denying that NA has shot a higher variety.


You are very close.
There are some oddites. Like I know on Brazzers some of the scenes don't have the talent listed. and while I was counting I noticed that for the talent listed for NA that when you click on the link nothing comes up. So these number are about right.

Brazzzers 806
NA 1356

Also thanks for the Bedroom thing that is a hell of a lot easier to find things.

Where did you find the count of NA Scenes. I can come up with Brazzers quickly but I can't see how to in NA with out going to many pages. Hell for the this is what I did for the talent.

A 163
B 57 220
C 123 343
D 59 402
E 35 437
F 14 451
G 31 482
H 38 520
I 17 537
J 82 619
K 112 731
L 95 826
M 125 951
N 47 998
O 4 1002
P 36 1038
R 72 1110
S 119 1229
T 76 1305
v 38 1343
W 6 1349
X 1 1350
Y 3 1353
Z 3 1356

You also have to concider how much longer NA had been around.
1999 was the oldest scene I found for NA
2004 was the oldest for Brazzers. 2500 scenes since then.

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Posted 31 July 2009 - 12:30 AM

I know these numbers because I actually wrote my own database of all the scenes on NA up until about June. If you want to see me talking about it, check this out.

Edit: And, if you scroll down to the bottom of this page, there's a banner ad that lists the amount of actresses and the amount of scenes, and the numbers are pretty close to what I tabulated by hand/computer.

Edit #2: Those 1999 scenes on So-Cal coeds? Not from 1999. I've been meaning to bring that up to someone. So-Cal coeds did exist that long ago I believe, but those weren't the updates that went up back then.

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Posted 31 July 2009 - 12:43 AM

What I ment by variety.

Most of NA scenes are (I have not watched them all) Indoor on normal things like bed and stuff. Most are Oral, Sex, & Cum.

Brazzers had/has things that are different.
Ass in Public (Great outdoor sex)
Day With a Pornstar
Doctor Adventures (I know not that different)

When I think about sites that stand out at NA I really can't think of any. Can you think of any of NA sites that really pop out at you as different. For the other sites I know I can list two or three of what they have to offer that is Different that jumps out at me.

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